you can't put that on george bush and say, well, the economy was in free fall. four years later with an unemployment rate still -- >> but where would those rates be had the president not taken -- >> we don't know that -- >> it's an important marker in terms of what -- >> it's the mixed bag. >> we were in crisis when he first came into office. had to deal with the crisis. >> we still are. >> many of us believe that dealing with the economy and dealing with health care, those are to things that are important in terms of getting our economy -- >> if i'm in jobs or health care, give me jobs before i deal with health care. >> the economic free fall that you address, is that the reason why the president did not achieve all of the goals that he set out there? >> no. i actually think -- the president has accomplished a great deal. i think he has done so in the face of tremendous unprecedented opposition, not only in the way that republicans in the house and senate -- we all know the story, they got together for dinner and said, we're going to make him a one-term preside